Correction: Biting Off My Navel: Ecklund, Brice, James Paul, Campbell, Maiers, Roos, and Torture

I found more connections with people involved in torture of me and my son.  It connects Canada/UK, Australia, and the U.S. and it also connects Moses Lake with Wenatchee.

I don't have a lot on it yet, but it also connects Portland, Oregon with a woman who moved there from Montana and had me work for her a short time after I worked for Lorraine Rose.  The Maiers have property in Montana where this woman was from, who gave me some kona coffee I recall.

Drew Ecklund is living in Moses Lake, Washington.  He looks British and he was raised in Okanogan, Washington.  I noticed him because in a photo from the 80s, one of the scars on my arms is imitated with a design on a belt he is wearing.  A squiggly design.  He was in the logging industry, like Pamp Maiers who was in logging before construction.  He eventually married a woman named Rachel Hammer, who looks like a Maiers half-breed.  She looks like Stephanie Maiers combined with a Jewish person.  She has the same expressions and smile and everything.  So then I found out, she has a bunch of friends with the last name "Campbell".  Stephanie Maiers married an Australian with that last name.

I have a scar across my belly button.  It looks like I was either cut there or someone bit me hard enough to leave a scar, after I already had a belly button.  One of Ecklund's friends was a man named Larry Brice.  Larry and Shirley Brice are a black couple from Moses Lake and Larry worked as a car salesman.  Shirley is now in the party design business with party table arrangements.  Larry was refered to as "Michael Jordan", supposedly, by kids in Mexico, and Mexico adults, for his "large hands".  Very clever, given he was connected to Mike Middleton, who had lived in Jordan, and who was into cars.  What I think is interesting, is that I was told, as a kid, I "bit" Lisa (Elizabeth) after she hit me.  It's possible that the reverse is true.  That I hit someone and they bit me.  So then we have "Mike Tyson", close enough to "Mike" Brice biting a piece of ear off of a competitor and spitting it out.  Well, Mike Tyson and Larry Brice were both into boxing.  So, just as some man potentially abused me and bit off a piece of my navel, and spit it out, it was later commemorated with Mike Tyson biting off part of an ear and spitting it out. 

Anyone noticed Mike Tyson's face lately?  his tatoos?  it's almost like the scars on my forearms from my being cut and tortured as a kid. 

So who might have hands for detail work?  I notice Drew Ecklunds niftly little "squiggle" belt.  He must be an artist.

(CORRECTION:  As of today, 5/3/13, I was informed the man to the far right is named James (Jim) Paul.  Left to right, it is Doug Sherman, Kent Pfitzer, Larry Brice, and James (Jim) Paul.

 

Everything I have said about Ecklund and his wife, I keep and don't change my opinion about, except for his name as attached to this man in the photo, who is said to be James (Jim) Paul.  The person who says this is the pastor so he must know.  I then looked up obituaries and I have to confirm something, but it says a James Paul who lives in Wenatchee, WA was related to him, and this man was raised in Bangor, Maine, which has the largest U.S. Air Force connection with England; it also shares industry with Canada.  This man that might be Jims Dad was also a Mason, and a Maccabee, which is another secretive British organization. Kate Middleton's "grandpappy" trained with the U.S. Air Force of Bangor, Maine.)

The man to the far right looks British.  I believe this is Drew Ecklund.  The squiggle key mark under his belt by his pocket is the exact outline of one of the scars on my left arm (which I didn't trace out but it's identical and if I held my arm out to the side, it would be horizontal like that design.  He has a white square mark on his shirt, with a VVVVVVNvvv mark on it that also matches a scar on the left arm.

I just saw the movie 172 Hours, which is by British men (all from England) and a Jewish man from Ecquador (Enrique Chediak) and there are cutting scenes that are like what was done to me, showing same designs, and then airplanes crossing overhead in white marks across the sky when he cuts his arm.  There is also a shot that shows a heart shaped design cut out of rock, at this time, which matches a heart shape cut on my left arm.  It's all British, which lends credence to the idea Mike Middleton is involved.

Well, following that line, guess who is connected to the woman he married?  The Roos family.  The same Roos family that was involved in trying to assassinate me in 1992.

I would guess, with the symbolism we have, it was either Mike Middleton or Larry Brice who bit off a piece of my belly button.  As for the carving me up, it was more than one person.

The same time I was being given Kona coffee by a woman in Portland, who was commuting from Montana, Rachel Hammer was in Kona, Hawaii with YWAM (what great fun I've had with that organization), or right after.  YWAM is British.  She also spent time in both Cambodia and India.

Drew, for his part, was in Okanogan (near Wenatchee) and then Moses Lake, and then Idaho.  He also went to Portland Bible College, which is where Tom Vice went to college (whose mother was screaming at me to keep my arms up in the air).

Now wouldn't it be a great marriage of consort, for a man who was involved in cutting into my skin, to marry a woman whose relatives had been part of an assassination attempt against me?  Rachel Hammer is connected to Roos.  Drew Ecklund is part of the torture team.  They married June 16, 2007.  Stephanie Maiers, meanwhile, was marrying an Australian Campbell about the same time, and my son and I were being tortured by military and aerospace defense. 

So then, I loved finding this photo of Rachel's parents, holding her baby, with her Dad wearing a shirt that says "More Field Jack".  Apparently, Rachel's family are big European skiing enthusiasts.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holyfield%E2%80%93Tyson_II

 

The next photo is one of Rachel, from her myspace page, and she calls it one of her "favorites":

She has an entire collection of herself, and some of them are more obviously "Stephanie Maiers" than others.  Half of her friends writing to her are connected to Campbells.  They are at least giving their last names out as "Campbell".  I saw this woman's photos, Rachel's photos, and had a very bad feeling about her.  She is wicked and evil to the root.

 

When it comes to my being raped as a baby, Ecklund was in both Wenatchee area and Moses Lake.  Larry Brice, the black man, was involved, I believe, but some of the cutting on me would be easier for a man with "smaller" hands to do.  Think of "OJ Simpson" and the glove that does or does not fit.  OJ is from ?  oranges with navels.  I was told as a kid, to bite off the navel first.

 

When Josh Gatov raped me in 1998, afterwards he took me to see "A Clockwork Orange".

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Sort of like a "glock" work orange.

 

I know Robin Bechtold knew something about this because of the way he and a few other government kids at Sherwood High didn't like how I bit off the navel of an orange first, before peeling it.  They were "uncomfortable".  Then Robin wanted to keep a photo that had me with a cousin and a pink flower on the table, with a bunch of orange peels around.  I had always wondered why he was so interested in that specific photo.    Aside from knowing Roos, who was connected to people that did this to me, he maybe knew through Irish contacts.  Afterall, some government kid named "Patrick" was imitating rape in the classroom in 2nd grade at his Mom and Dad's suggestion.  "The snake".  Then they dared serve ME with termination of my parental rights with a guy wearing a "Happy St. Patricks Day" shirt carrying a "Washington State Archives" box.

 

The reason I began to think about my belly button being bit off, is because I almost remembered it.  I saw the scar there and thought it was a knife and then I had this idea of someone biting my belly button off come to mind.  I then noticed, after having this come to mind when I saw Larry Brice's photo and some of the other guys, the logo for Grace Harvest Church is basically in the design of what my belly button looks like in the interior.  I also noticed the design on the belt of Ecklund because I had just been looking at my arms and on my left arm I found a weird fine squiggle mark that matches it.  And he has this same design displayed on the left side of his belt.  That was when I decided to find out who he was connected to. I didn't trace the squiggle and photograph it.  I noticed it and decided not to trace it, and then I saw the exact same mark on Ecklunds belt.  That was when I thought, "he's involved or he wouldn't be displaying that on his belt".

 

The Hammers are connected to Roman Catholic Roos', Wilsons, and Natalie and Hanan Hammer of the Kansas Jewish Community (with Goodmans and Goldsmiths present).  So why exactly was Rachel Hammer interested in Cambodia?  Late Princess Diana interest?

 

There is a possible connection between Ecklund and Michelle Erickson too.  Wonder at that.

 

So this "holyfield" thing...that may be why Chris Dabney said "Here's another one in the hole."  I can even think about "Larry" Kargman, in 1994, yelling at me about "leaving cheerios all over the car.  I don't want to pick up pieces of cheerios, you fucking bitch."  That's what he said to me.  Little belly button pieces in his car.  So sorry for Larry.

 

Larry Brice, the black man from Moses Lake, went on from selling cars (to Middleton, sure), to this church and then working for the Moses Lake Police Department.  Police have always known and always been involved and corrupt.  He worked as a "chaplain" for the police. 

 

 

 

(Photos) Scars from Knife and Razor Wounds (Updated)

I traced some of the scars that are on my arms and feet today.  I am not showing you the belly button slash, but it's there.  The scars are not all obvious in daylight, but at an angle, or under different lighting and close exam, you can see the traces of them.  So I didn't include chicken pox scars and at one point I used a rubberband as a tourniquet to see if it drew some of them out better.

I almost passed out several times.  There was no blood and before I even got a tourniquet, when I had a pen and was tracing the cut, I kept getting sick and dizzy.  I think it is from my subconscious remembering what happened.  I had a bottle of cleaning ammonia next to me, which I sniffed vapors of every few minutes because I was worried I was going to black out.  Sick, sick, sick to my stomach and dizzy.

When I put the tourniquet on and was tracing the stuff closest to my wrists, where the arteries are, is when I felt the sickest.  So I discovered I had "bracelets" cut into my arms.  And a bunch of "y"s.  Which made me think of Nancy Kerrigan getting whacked by Tonya Harding and crying, "Why?"  "Why?"  "Why me?"

I didn't trace them all and might show more where there is better lighting.  I didn't outline the cuts on my face either.  But I am showing you where some of the cuts and scars are showing up on my arms, wrists, and feet. 

Well, I actually think I'm having a minor panic attack now because I can't breathe very well, so I'm going to have something to eat and will post those photos as soon as I'm feeling okay.

It's not an "S", it's 2 arrows.  Rt. Hand.

 

Basically, what I realized by the time I was done locating at least a few of the scars, is that the United States government was working on "sleeves" for me as a kid, but they weren't tatoos.  They were carving the shit out of me.  What is also made clear to me, is that the FBI's agents, like Bujanda, already knew about my personal history before he took me out.  He knew I was abused in MKUltra and this is why he got Michelob Ultra and it's why he told me he was thinking of getting tatoos with a full wire around his arm.  The U.S. then obstructed my lawsuits, defamed me, and the entire time they knew they were guilty of crimes against humanity and concealment of these things.  Rt hand.

 

 

This is before I finished finding some of the scars for the day.

Left hand

 Left hand

                                                                     Left hand

Left hand

                                                                       Left hand
                                                                         

                                                                       Left hand

Rt hand

 

Rt hand

                                                                        Right hand

                                                                       Right hand

Right hand 

                                                                       Right hand

This is rt. hand and I added the outline of the scar by my thumb

Rt hand

Rt foot

Left foot

 

 

I'd like to see a photo of Mike Middleton's signature.

 

There's more.  I have more scars than this and tomorrow I'll add to what I've done.  Below is a photo of one of the scars before I put black pen over it to mark my arms.  It's horizontal, on the rt. arm.

 

 

Christa Schneider is the one who set me up to have Raul Bujand and Armando Garza approach me.  That is the Department of Justice connection and Karin from Canada knows her and knows the Middletons.  Bujanda, Garza, Bechtold, work for Mike Middleton.  Eminem, I'm told, whose cousin went to my high school, is also FBI.  All of these people colluded together, knowing already that I had been cut up, tortured, raped, and then this country deliberately obstructed me from lawsuits that protected my life by protecting my reputation.  They obstructed me from 4 lawsuits and 6 potential lawsuits.  I had pending, when the FBI and Department of Justice obstructed me, with U.S. military:

 

1.  Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon case, including, Mt. Angel Abbey, Oregon and local police (protected my reputation)

 

2.  The Willamette Week.  How clever WW, to match my MM.  This was a defamation lawsuit including Mt. Angel Abbey, WW, and others.

(protected my reputation)

 

3.  Farmers' Insurance Company.  I had a personal injury claim for a hit-and-run which was a premeditated hit-and-run.  I had to have a bone graft because of it and was supposed to receive the full $50,000 PIP, which wasn't much, but it was something then.

 

4.  Obstruction of Justice.  This was a federal lawsuit against Judges and the Department of Justice.

(protected my rights and reputation)

 

5.  FBI Misconduct (a potential case for collusion using their agents and federal employees to obstruct my lawsuits).

 

6.  Rape.  I had a case pending for rape by Robin Bechtold and Josh Gatov.  I was also being date-raped by others that they knew.

 

So it was actually about 6 cases that the FBI and military illegally obstructed through defamation of my character, lying in internal records, and using military/NASA technology to torture me (which is something they started in 1992)

 

Additionally, at least 6 of the federal employees who raped me are directly connected to and/or working for Kate Middleton.  I didn't even know she existed.

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Updated:  4/30/2013...someone asked me how many of these tracings are from childhood and how many are possibly from car accidents or other injury.  All of the ones I traced are from childhood torture, and there are many more than this but I didn't want to go through more of them without seeing them in different light.  I might have to give it a day if the rubberbands left marks, because I need to see what's actually there.  I'll see what else I can do.  I know it's not from car accidents bc I know what parts of my body were injured and it wasn't the insides or outsides of my forearms.  Ever.  I also never had an injury to the insides of my hands.  And my feet, I've never injured in any accident or known injury.  I have a thumb scar, for example, from when I was older and I remember this and how I got it and I had stitches and went to the hospital.  All of the other scars were made against me when it was known I might be too young to remember.  It was done at a time it could be gotten away with, before kindergarten.  The FBI has not been forthcoming about what they know.  They gave me a scrap of evidence about MKUltra knowing it was decades late and almost one full decade from the time of my repeated requests.  In the meantime, people have known about what was done and they've made fun of me over it.  What kind of sick, sick, country does this?  This country is worse than N. Korea.  I never want to hear about some other country's horrible actions ever again, after knowing what I know about the U.S.   They can't take the plank out of their own eye before accusing someone of having a sliver.  Then they encouraged more rape of me, which basically proves it has been rape all along and gives motive for torture and assassination attempts.  They also repeated this entire cycle with my son, as his "guardian".   There are more scars.  Some are intricate little squiggle etchings but most of them are just slasher wounds.  I have been sniffing ammonia all night because I feel sick thinking about it.

 

There were a few spots, that I almost passed out over, just finding them.  They must have done something really horrible to me at the same time they did this.  I think they kept me awake for some of it, because if they hadn't, I wouldn't be having this kind of reaction.  What happened to me was done from my being born as a baby (possibly some of the internal injuries), to age 4.  My guess is then, most of this is Moses Lake work.  Not to say internationals weren't involved, but the site or location was probably, mostly Moses Lake.   This is why my Dad gave me the nickname of "pumpkin" and this is why Kate Middleton got engaged on Halloween.  I'll bet Mike helped pick out the date.

 

Also, I looked up the address area where a dog was let out of the yard to cross into my path and trip my bike over, and it was off of "Ashcroft".  My name is Loree.  Loree "Ashcroft".  Yeah.  Ring a bell?  Lots of people getting rich off of great entertainment but no one ever willing to speak up about torture worse than anything that's ever come out of North Korea.  North Korea is a sacred shrine compared to this country.  This country has NO right to talk to anyone about human rights.

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Some of the torture against me was probably done in Wenatchee and Cashmere, right before we left.  I was photographed wearing short sleeves as a baby until about 6 months of age.  Then there are no photographs until I am four years old.  I am also shown wearing short sleeves in kindergarden, first grade, and second grade school and class photos.  The Samaritan Hospital in Moses Lake, WA had already seen my scars by the time I arrived in their ER for my broken arm as an 8 year old.  It was no new surprise to anyone.  I believe that hospital was possibly a place where I was tortured as a child.

 

I never had any surgery for a deformity or genital or anatomy "anomoly" and I was never hospitalized formally or given a surgery as a baby or up through kindergarden.  The reason I believe the hospital was possibly a place I was tortured, is because of the reaction I remember having when I got there.

   I was hysterically crying, and sobbing and saying "I'm sorry, I'm sorry.  I'm sorry.  I'm sorry I disobeyed."  Not even around my Mom or Dad was I ever scared like that, or sobbing and worried about "disobeying" over anything.  It was that hospital setting that brought it out.  I kept saying this over and over and crying.  The first thing they had done was take out a pair of scissors and I still remember the woman's face who did it.  She was mean and she was sadistically happy to be cutting my shirt off.  When I said no, don't cut my shirt! she then smirked and took scissors to the middle of the shirt and cut through it.  She had brown medium length hair and she wasn't particularly attractive.  She basically cut through the center of the rainbow that was on it, in the middle.  Then she smirked and cut more pieces and pulled it off.  After this, I went into shock and saw knives and began to say "I'm sorry" and I was begging them not to hurt me.  When my parents came into the room, because they were not there when the shirt was cut off of me, I was pleading with them, saying, "I'm sorry.  I'm sorry.  I'm sorry I disobeyed."  Most of my traumatic reaction was from being around medical people who were using sharp objects. 

 

When I went over to see my Dad just now  I asked him and he said, "Nothing happened."  I said then why do I have scars all over my arms?" and he said, "You don't have any scars." 

 

Well, I admit the one photo I put up, of the horizontal scar is not easy to see, but I can't help it if I have a bad camera.  I was able to prove there was a scar on the pad of my hand by my thumb because I got some of it to show up in the photo.  Believe me, I have scars.  So with my Dad saying I have none, it's like CIA and U.S. Army routine.

 

I believe they forced me to keep my eyes open when I was being cut and I do not believe I was given painkillers or medication.  I think their entire purpose was to traumatize and dissociate me, so the U.S. deliberately forced me to witness and feel the pain, but did it before I was of an age most kids can remember. I also think it's possible some Mexicans were involved later here or there, because mafias work with federal employees.  My Mom's scar on her face, is from Patty Otterbach and Debbie Sweetwater-Burt, and supposedly Kate Middleton was involved.  They attempted to conceal evidence when I tried to report it.  Also, my Dad has scars on his body from assault.  The scars on my Mom's face are new because she had plastic surgery and laser surgery which removed anything that was there.  She had no cut wound to her face until she and my Dad moved to Coquille, Oregon.  So it's bad when you have to work for the people that tortured you and blackmail you.

 

I think the reason my mother had a bracelet that wound around the arm and had a snake head on it, was to symbolize what was knifed onto my arms in 'bracelets' which the FBI already knew about.  If my Dad told me, when I was a kid, that one of his scars was from "running into a barbed wire fence" as a teen, it probably meant he had run into police and government took him for a live capture.  If he'd tried to run to Canada, they would have returned him because they are paid by the CIA for MKUltra participation.  He also once told me, when I was a kid, that there was a Mexican woman he knew, when he going to school in NM, who was very pretty and a gang of New Mexico kids attacked her and cut her face up with a knife to punish her for being beautiful.

 

At various times I have noticed the U.S. getting someone in media or medical fields to try to create "alternate" theories to detract from the truth.  So one of those lies has been to suggest I just had some abnormality or anomoly with my body as a kid, and that's why I "appeared" raped.  I had no surgery and no anomoly.  Any difference or trauma to my body was due to deliberate torture of a baby and a toddler.  The FBI and federal government encouraged their employees to "explore" this anatomy and to talk about it.  It was a conquest to them to reintroduce rape of me and then joke about it.

 

I remember being cut once and I was awake.  So it was done when I was older and was probably a small cut.  There are photos of me as a newborn, and after I showed some of them to kids at high school, when we had to do an autobiography thing of ourselves, the government kids were all uncomfortable.  They didn't like looking at baby photos of me where I had expressions of trauma  or looked "out of it".  After this, I took the photos home and then someone was stealing them out of our house.  There were photos from my birth up to being an little older as a baby and then there are no photos of me when I'm 2 years, 3 years, or 4 years old.  Actually, when I'm about 4, there is one or two.  I was a flower girl at a wedding and I wore short sleeves to it, at age 4.  I think they were still cutting here and there because I remember, but I think the most of it was done from age 1-3.  At the MKUltra Senate Hearings, the U.S. made a claim MKUltra was "abandoned" as a program in 1975.  This is  a lie.

 

Supposedly, according to the U.S., they quit the program in 1975 and then they didn't destroy records of victims they had been using until 1977, when the hearings came up.  The program continued and they used the same kids wherever it was possible.  The cutting they did to me was mostly after 1975 and they made sure there were no photos of me from this time period of 75-78.

 

I also believe it is possible they cut my brother, but I didn't witness it.  I did witness that he had a lot of band-aids being put on his body but I don't know that they cut him and raped him violently, as they had me.  He got so many band-aids, I was always saying I wanted one too.  He was also getting sick with a "fever" all the time and constantly had a thermometer in his rear and was getting medicine, and I remember all of that.  The vaseline and the thermometer and I used to ask why it was going there and it gave the most accurate reading.  Most of his childhood, as a toddler, he had a fever.  I had wondered why he always had the fever and was being checked, when I didn't.  But of course, if he was being tortured, some of it was done at that age where he wouldn't remember but I might.  No one could get away with torturing him the way they did me through, because I was old enough to notice.  So probably the U.S. goes after first-born kids and only kids the most. 

 

Right guys?

 

Updating again, later today (4/30/13)...I added tracings of scars and there are more.  On one where it is a vvvvvvvvvvvvv shape, it is following that exact etching.  There are other areas that look like acid burns which were later covered up..the scarring is different.  Again, on both arms, the insides of my arms were never harmed in any auto accident.  I also traced something that showed up, and I couldn't tell if it was an actual scar or not, or what, and it did extend from where I broke my elbow....on the left arm.  However, because it was an odd shape and was standing out whiter than the rest of my skin when I took some niacin, I traced it.  I think it's a scar but I'm not positive.  I am missing some tracings and not completing others bc they are hard to see.  A few of the very fine etchings are a contrast to the gash wounds.  It is like different sized knives and instruments were being used.  Pretty clear, actually.    The finer marks I felt more intimidated to try to trace out but the vvvvvv was one of many.  When I say some spots look like acid burn scars that were attempted removals, it is because of an irregular surface kind of scar and is exactly like what I saw on my son's finger before it was removed--basically, totally erased in his case. I have no idea, aside from incurring trauma, what the U.S. had in mind.  If they supposedly discontinued their Monarch program for MKUltra and then other ones cropped up, they just kept changing the names and making adjustments case by case.  So here are photo additions.

 

detail of a dip of some kind on otherwise straight lines (paralleled, like 2 m)

Right arm

                                      Left arm (more squiggles on this arm but didn't note all)

Left arm.  This elbow was broken and there are scars from it on the outside of arm.  A line coming

from this scarring, however, showed up pretty white when I took niacin but I couldn't tell what kind of a scar or mark it was.  It's the \/\  .  It is on the same arm where I had a weird rectangular shape show up white higher up on the inside of this same arm.

 

I found more to the "M" shape that was by my wrist on the left hand and traced it so here's that:

 

This is the left arm.

 

This is the wrist of the left arm.  It is the wrist and hand that was broken by a cop in TN.  I was reminded of this because after I put the rubberband around my arm, up a little higher, it caused the broken area at my wrist to swell up and hurts.  Anyway, there is a scar that makes a complete figure and then has a line extending out from it.  Both this and the above view are if my arms are down to my side and you are facing me, looking at them. 

 

I can also find very faint outlines of where I had some chicken pox, but I haven't traced any of the circles bc I think most of them are from that and I don't want to detract.

 

Since 1977, no one, no Senate Committee, no journalists,  and no government group has come forward about continued torture and use of U.S. citizens in government programs.  The wiki link here states a U.S. soldier given LSD without their consent could not sue the government, but this is only for military, because they sign a contract that says they are government property.  There is probably a way around that, by pointing out war crimes or use for anti-competition or hate (note...rape in the military...is it "impossible to sue" the government even if there was no consent?).  For any citizen thrown into a program as a kid, and blackmailed or not told about it, they have great odds with a lawsuit.  The biggest problem, is "where are the lawyers?"  The fact that the legal profession became part of the "state" through the bar associations, is probably a contributing factor.  Then, in my case where I tried to file lawsuits, the U.S. used military to torture me and law enforcement to obstruct me??? Is that what this country does now, to any lawyer to might attempt to bring a case to court?  And then we realize most of the Judges are appointed by politicians who work with government in keeping secrets, not exposing them.

 

Another thing that scared me as a kid, aside from seeing knives or razors and box cutters (exacto knives), was when we went to a church with people speaking in tongues and raising their arms in the air.   We went to a quieter church and then the first time we went to a church where people were "speaking in other languages", and all raising their arms in the air, I got very scared and I wanted to leave.  I kept asking my parents if we could leave.  Also, I think it's odd, now that I know about government cutting my arms, that Theresa Vice would attempt to force me to raise my arms in the air for "prayer" at the New Song Church prior to a missions trip.  Her husband, Tom Vice, was U.S. Army.  She screamed at me, "Get your arms in the air!"  She also decided that I was the one to hold a whip to slash and whip "jesus" across the back and torture him and I didn't want to (for a skit).  Basically, they had me revisiting trauma done to me and then wanted me to pretend like I was hurting others.  I mean, actually, very sick.  I think the fear I had around knives and scissors and doctors might point to one thing and that my subconscious reaction to "people talking in other languages" and some of them sort of crying out, while raising their arms in the air, or my view of "seeing arms in the air", indicates I was awake when the U.S. government tortured me.  I started to have a panic attack, as a kid, and said nervously to my parents, "What are they doing? why are they all raising their hands?  I want to go home.  Can we go home?"

 

Also, Sidney Gottleib's real name was Joseph Schneider, or that is the pack he came from and why was a Schneider family getting into my business later in my life?

 

This morning I took more photos of knife scars, which are traced over with ink pen.  I looked at my shoulders.  It sort of looks like there is possibly an entire "wing" on the rt. shoulder and I traced the line of it that stood out the most and was clearly scarred. I'd have to look in other lighting later.  On the right upper arm I also found 2 more straight slash lines.  On the left shoulder there is a short incision wound the size of the top of a staple and it's very straight

 

                 My left arm.  There is more to this cut I think but I traced this for now.

My rt. arm

 

A 1-2 inch incision slash on my upper rt. arm and a smaller one at the inside of where I've had blood drawn.  I have a few marks from needles from blood draws, but this was a line the size of a staple again.

More slashes I found on my right arm.  The circle was not a scar exactly but some kind of impression into my skin so I think it's from chicken pox.  I decided trace it, even if I'm not doing this mostly with round marks.

 

A small precise incision the size of a staple top on my right shoulder.

 

I just found another scar on my rt. that connects to the others I found.  The circle there is possibly a chicken pox impression but I decided to trace it because it showed sort of a "burger king crown" idea, which is a place my Dad worked at after I got the chicken pox.  So whatever scars I already had on my arms, the chicken pox added to that and mostly went away.  My wrist is to the lft. of the photo and my elbow would be right--this is the outside of my arm.  There is a LOT more on this arm on the outside but it's harder to see and I will look more later.  This is the one I never broke.  The other one, even though I broke it, it was only injured or cut at the elbow on the outside.  I didn't have any scratches and things anywhere else.
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I was thinking, if I was afraid of arms in the air, it was possibly from a religious group, but more likely, from seeing a bunch of soldiers lined up making salutes.  People at airports also do this sometimes and at that base, it was military.  The other possibility is from seeing my own arms or arms of others as they assaulted me.  But seeing a bunch of raised arms and having a panic attack, was possibly from military exposure.  Likely, CIA-related.  The fact I was afraid of hearing languages I didn't know, all at once, might mean I heard other languages or accents that I didn't understand, some of the times I was being tortured and cut.  This could have been Japanese, or Mexican, but since MKUltra is UK and Canada based as well, it was possibly European or even other languages as well.  They could have used a "church" or an airport or military base, and they could have used private homes as well.  I may have witnessed someone being raped too, because after this kid "Patrick", from school, decided to do this action of "humping the ground" like a "snake" he said, I ran away from school.  I think what he was doing triggered my reaction to want to run away.  I ran that same day.  I believe his parents must have been working for the U.S. government and instructed their son to do this, to traumatize me again.  And I ran away from school "to go home" an hour or two later.